Christianity vs Mormans

cross_250Defining a Cult

I am a Christian..(As if by all these blogs and teachings, you didn’t already gather that.)  I believe the Bible to be the true word of God.  I believe the Torah was given to the Jews through Moses, with the 10 Commandments, around 1300 BC.  I believe in the genealogical, historical, and  archeological PROOFS of my Bible, including the Dead Sea Scrolls, that were found.  I believe in one God as the trinity, God the Father, God the son, and God the Holy Ghost.  I believe in the facts and stories of Abraham, its historical content, with Sarah, and the start of the Jewish nation through Isaac begotten by Abraham’s wife Sarah, and the Arab nation begotten by Abraham’s wife’s handmaiden Hagar, through Ishmael  (Oil nations).  I believe in the true prophets of God, in the Bible, Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel (37, 38 is now on earth), Nehemiah, Jeremiah, etc. I believe that God called his son who was sinless, to die on that Cross for the sins of mankind.  I believe that He rose from the dead on the 3rd day,  and rose to Heaven. Jesus was NOT a Christian then,  he was a Jew, a Rabbi in Matthew, teaching in the Tabernacle.  It wasn’t until his resurrection that his disciples still practicing what he taught, that Christianity and witnessing later by Apostle Paul, came to us that are Gentiles. (After his conversion experience as Saul, on the road to Tarsus.) Christianity, wherefore go and read my blog on Biblical history,   There are enough teachings on this site for you to understand Christianity, salvation, and Biblical truths.

 I did not up until this point go into Mormonism. However, with this election coming up, with Mitt Romney, we who are Christians, need to know who we are and WHAT we are voting for.  For his grandfather was a polygamist, and his father also tied to the John Birch Society, who were segregationist, and friends with Welch who started the society, as well as Ayn Rand, the Agnostic, Capitalist author of Atlas Shrugged, and the Fountainhead, and others.  On many accounts Ayn was right on, but, morally ethically, with her well-known affair at the time, was wrong in her objectivist  view.  She was a Russian Jew who changed her name as an intellect and philosopher, denying God.   So while much is being reread by us Christians too, on Ayn, we need to keep her writings in perspective and view with Godly discernment.  Please also for historical purposes check out below:


Reference also book:  The Bible as History, by Werner Keller 

*(The following from here on is from other sites, and the sites are all on the end of this blog for your perusal.  So if you cannot understand the difference between true Christianity and differentiate it from a cult, I can do no more.  For I have covered other cults on here as well. )

Now, does the Book of Mormon contradict the Bible?

Yes, the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (or “Mormons”) claim that, along with the Bible, the Book of Mormon1 is a revelation from God. However, the Book of Mormon fails the tests that the Bible gives to identify genuine revelations from God; e.g.:
Deut. 13:1-3
If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and …  says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Isa. 8:19-20
when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? … To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn.
Someone might claim a revelation has come from God, but if that “revelation” contradicts what God has said before then the “revelation” is false, it is not from God. This is true of the Book of Mormon (and the other Mormon texts): they contradict the Bible so they are not from God.

Examples of the Book of Mormon contradicting the Bible.

There are various “minor”  contradictions between the Book of Mormon and the Bible; e.g.:

Book of Mormon

The Bible

1Nephi 4:2 (also 17:26)
…Moses…spake unto the waters of the Red Sea and they divided…

…Moses stretched out his hand over the sea…and the waters were divided.

Mosiah 18:5,17
…in Mormon…they were called the church of God, or the church of Christ, from that time forward… [c. 148—145 B.C]

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church… [1stC AD]

Alma 46:13-16
{15} …all those who were true believers in Christ took upon them, gladly, the name of Christ, or Christians as they were called… [c. 73-72 B.C]

Acts 11:26
…For a whole year they met with the church and taught a great many people. And in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians. [1stC AD]

Alma 7:9-10
…the Son of God…shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem…

Mat. 2:1
…Jesus was born in Bethlehem…

Helaman 14:20
…in that day that he [Jesus] shall suffer death the sun shall be darkened and refuse to give his blight unto you; and also the moon and the stars; and there shall be no light upon the face of this land, even from the time that he shall suffer death, for the space of three days, to the time that he shall rise again from the dead

Luke 23:44
It was now about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour. [i.e. 3 hours of darkness]

These “minor” contradictions aren’t so minor when we realise that even they mean that the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible, and therefore the Book of Mormon isn’t a revelation from God.
There are more serious contradictions, too, between the Book of Mormon and the Bible. For example:…

  • the Book of Mormon and other Mormon texts say that Jesus pre-existed before his birth (1Neph.10:17;13:33-6 has Jesus talking c. 600-592 BC; Mormons say Jesus is Jehovah — or Yahweh — of the OT),
    • but the Bible says that Jesus, the son of God, came into being when he was conceived in Mary’s womb (Matt; Luke 1:31-32,35);
  • the Book of Mormon says America is the Promised Land (1Neph. 13 — see chapter summary),
    • but the Bible says Canaan (i.e. Israel) is the Promised Land (Gen.17:8; Deut.27:3-4)
  • the Book of Mormon says people carry on living as spirits after they die (Alma 40:11-14),

(HOWEVER,  the Bible says when we die, our bones go in the ground, but our soul goes to either Heaven or Hell. John 3:3 Unless a man be Born again, he will not enter the Kingdom of God.  And Revelations tells us that  that when the Rapture comes the dead in Christ shall rise first,  to meet their souls in Heaven.  We are assured of Heaven as Jesus rose from the dead.  But  not here on earth as living spirits. 

These are major contradictions with what the Bible teaches, which shows that the Book of Mormon is not a revelation from God (Deut. 13:1-3; Isa. 8:19-20). (God also says in the New Testament to “test the spirits”..So while Jesus said “Judge not lest ye be judged, weare to test the spirits of  a religion claiming to be “mainstream”, which Mormonism is not.)
These contradictions are all we need to see the Book of Mormon isn’t from God. However, there is other evidence, too. One further example of this evidence follows (for more, see Further reading):

Weakness of Mormonism’s foundation “vision”

The basis of the Mormon faith is a vision that a man called Joseph Smith claimed to receive in 1820.2 This authority is weak when you compare the various accounts of Joseph Smith’s first vision — the accounts differ vastly. For a full comparison of the various “First Vision” accounts see Comparison of Mormon First Vision accounts; a summary is given below:
Smith’s official account of 1838 contradicts his earlier, first recorded written account of the “First Vision” (1832) in regard to how he discovered that all Christian denominations were astray from Jesus Christ and from the gospel:

  • In the official 1838 account, Smith says that before his “First Vision” he didn’t know all denominations were wrong (it had ‘never enter my heart that all were wrong’ — v18). In fact, it was impossible for him to know, he says (v8), and the information was revealed to him for the first time during the “First Vision” (also see v10);3
  • But, contrary to this, in his first written record of the “First Vision” (1832) Smith says that he discovered before the “First Vision” that all denominations were astray from the gospel — he discovered it by studying the Bible, he says.4 This contradiction between the two accounts makes the authenticity of Joseph Smith’s “First Vision” highly questionable.

Smith’s official account of 1838 also contradicts his own earlier accounts (Nov. 9th & 14th, 1835) in regard to who appeared to him in the “First Vision”: –

  • In the official 1838 account, Smith says that two personages appeared to him: One of the personages identified the Other personage as His own Son – the Father and Son here appearing to Joseph themselves (v17);3
  • But contrary to this, in the 1835 accounts it is angels who appear to Smith, not the Father and the Son.4 This contradiction between the two accounts makes the authenticity of Joseph Smith’s “First Vision” account highly questionable.

Joseph Smith’s own accounts of his “First Vision” contradict each other. At best, this shows that Smith’s words and writings are unreliable and cannot be relied upon for accuracy. At worst, this shows that Smith fabricated the “First Vision” altogether and he cannot be trusted. Either way, the foundation “experience” of Mormonism is unstable, which brings the rest of the religion into question. 

Mitt Romney and the Mormon Religion

Mitt Romney’s religious background has been extensively covered by the mainstream media, especially in connection with his 2008 presidential campaign.[16] Mitt Romney is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, members of which are commonly known as Mormons or LDS (Latter-day Saint). 
In addition to missionary work in France in the 1960s under the tutelage of Wesley L. Pipes, Romney has served as a bishop, and has also been a stake president in his church.[16] In accordance with LDS doctrine,[17] as bishops and stake presidents are lay positions in his church, Romney received no compensation or money for his years of service in those positions. Also in accordance to his religious beliefs, Romney abstains from alcohol and smoking.[18][19][20]



The Salt Lake Temple in Salt Lake City, Utah

Mitt Romney’s great-great-grandfather, Parley P. Pratt, was among the first leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the early 19th century. Marion George Romney, his first cousin, once removed, was one of the church’s 12 Apostles. Romney’s paternal great-grandparents practiced plural marriage, and went to Mexico in 1884 after the 1878 U.S. Supreme Court decision in Reynolds v. United States that upheld laws banning polygamy.[21][22] Subsequent generations of Romney’s paternal lineage have been monogamous, and none of his mother’s Mormon ancestors were polygamists.[23][24] Mitt Romney’s father, George W. Romney, was a patriarch of LDS Church. Romney’s wife, Ann, converted to Mormonism before they were married in 1969.[25]
Romney has expressed his faith in Jesus Christ as his “Lord and Savior” openly to evangelical Christian groups.[26] He has received support from evangelical Christians.[27][28]
(Seems they are trying desperately to legitimize this cult into a main stream religion. Mitt’s father, George Romney was also a part of the John Birch Society, which also  while Capitalists, were segregationists when Welch started this Society with the famous Objectivist, Ayn Rand, author of the Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged.   )
According to claims made by Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon Church, Jesus Christ, the Bible and America are the basis of the new religion he founded more than a hundred years ago in the United States. However, no Christian denomination has ever recognized the religion that Smith created as a Christian faith or an extension of Christianity. Instead, it is seen as a unique new religion with a theology of its own. The Mormons, as Smith’s followers would later be commonly called, see themselves as the new Israel, God’s chosen people, who wandered through America until they came to the promised land, now known as Utah.
(Please, they were run out of  every town they were in for being heretics,  by every established Christian religion and court. )
Smith said he had received a revelation, which would ultimately lead to the restoration of the true church and its priesthood, that had been lost. He believed this priesthood and authority had been lost for centuries, until he had his revelation during the 1820s near Palmyra, New York. Smith said, no other church on the face of the earth held equal authority and he became Mormonism’s first modern-day prophet.
Within the composite belief system that Smith subsequently devised, humanity is described as essentially “gods in embryo.” Smith believed that God himself had once been a human being and had become a God through a process. And that his followers could become gods too, if they would follow his new religion.
The supposed restoration of the lost priesthood and truth took place when Smith’s divine revelation occurred. At that time Smith was a 14-year-old boy. Never-the-less he claimed that divine beings had told him not to join any existing church or religion, but instead to begin his own, which would become the one true and anointed church authorized by God.
A similar story is told by Rev. Sun Myung Moon, founder and leader of the Unification Church. Cult leaders such as David Koresh, Shoko Asahara of Japan and Jim Jones of the Peoples Temple all seemed to feel that God had given them an exclusive mission and somehow exalted their group above all others.
In 1823, Smith said a heavenly being or angel named “Moroni,” who he claimed was the son of Mormon, a man that died about 400 A.D., appeared to Smith. Maroni, told Smith that there hidden written records on “golden plates” of a lost people who once had a great civilization in America. These plates were conveniently burried just outside the town where Smith lived. But they were written in an unknown language Smith called “Reformed Egyptian.” Maroni instructed Smith to use two special peep stones to look through, which would enable his to translate the plates. Smith said he uncovered the golden plates, translated them with these stones and the end result is now known as the “Book of Mormon.” And Maroni is now commemorated as the golden figure perched atop Mormon Temples.
Smith was largely regarded at the time as a con man and fraud. His golden plates disappeared, transported to heaven, or so he said. The civilizations recorded within the Book of Mormon have never been substantiated by any historical evidence through either archaeology or corroborated by any credible scholar or historian. Instead, as originally perceived by Smith’s contemporaries, they appear to be little more than a collection of fictional stories put together by Smith, based largely upon other writings and his own creative imagination.
Smith eventually became a virtual dictator of his own city called Nauvoo in Illinois, which was populated by his followers. He also led a large private army as its General. His rule was often tyrannical and he became a feared figure within Illinois. In 1844 after Smith destroyed a Nauvoo newspaper that dared to openly criticize him he was jailed in Carthage. An angry mob broke into the jail and Smith was killed. At the time of his death, his ardent apostles were promoting him as a candidate for president of the United States.
The story of Smith’s city and his “persecution” is somewhat like the history of Indian guru Bhagwan Rajneesh who created a city of believers within Oregon during the 1980s. It is also reminiscent of Jim Jones who founded Jonestown. But unlike these small groups that have been called “cults,” Smith’s small sect evolved into a major American religion. That religion is known today as “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints,” (LDS). LDS claims more than 4 million members worldwide, with 2.5 million Mormons on the church roles in North America alone.
Notes: This article was largely based upon “Prophet, seer said to have met with divine personages” National Post Canada, July 22, 2002
Here is a summary of important facts about the Mormon church, its doctrine, and its history that the missionaries will probably not tell you. We are not suggesting that they are intentionally deceiving you –most of the young Mormons serving missions for the church are not well educated in the history of the church or in modern critical studies of the church. They probably do not know all the facts themselves. They have been trained, however, to give investigators “milk before meat,” that is, to postpone revealing anything at all that might make an investigator hesitant, even if it is true. But you should be aware of these facts before you commit yourself.
Each of the following facts has been substantiated by thorough historical scholarship. And this list is by no means exhaustive!    For links to articles substantiating each of these points,  on the word   following the item.

  • The “First Vision” story in the form presented to you was unknown until 1838, eighteen years after its alleged occurrence and almost ten years after Smith had begun his missionary efforts. The oldest (but quite different) version of the vision is in Smith’s own handwriting, dating from about 1832 (still at least eleven years afterwards), and says that only one personage, Jesus Christ, appeared to him. It also mentions nothing about a revival. It also contradicts the later account as to whether Smith had already decided that no church was true. Still a third version of this event is recorded as a recollection in Smith’s diary, fifteen years after the alleged vision, where one unidentified “personage” appeared, then another, with a message implying that neither was the Son. They were accompanied by many “angels,” which are not mentioned in the official version you have been told about. Which version is correct, if any? Why was this event, now said by the church to be so important, unknown for so long?


  • Careful study of the religious history of the locale where Smith lived in 1820 casts doubt on whether there actually was such an extensive revival that year as Smith and his family later described as associated with the “First Vision.” The revivals in 1817 and 1824 better fit what Smith described later.   

(Rabbinical Judaism calculated a lifespan of Moses corresponding to 1391–1271 BCE; Some Christian tradition has tended to assume an earlier date so Mormonism has no relation to Judeo Christianity. )

  • In 1828, eight years after he supposedly had been told by God himself to join no church, Smith applied for membership in a local Methodist church. Other members of his family had joined the Presbyterians.


  • Contemporaries of Smith consistently described him as something of a confidence man, whose chief source of income was hiring out to local farmers to help them find buried treasure by the use of folk magic and “seer stones.” Smith was actually tried in 1826 on a charge of moneydigging.  It is interesting that none of his critics seemed to be aware of his claim to have been visited by God in 1820, even though in his 1838 account he claimed that he had suffered “great persecution” for telling people of his vision.


  • The only persons who claimed to have actually seen the gold plates were eleven close friends of Smith (many of them related to each other). Their testimonies are printed in the front of every copy of the Book of Mormon. No disinterested third party was ever allowed to examine them. They were retrieved by the angel at some unrecorded point. Most of the witnesses later abandoned Smith and left his movement. Smith then called them “liars.”


  • Smith produced most of the “translation” not by reading the plates through the Urim and Thummim (described as a pair of sacred spectacles), but by gazing at the same “seer stone” he had used for treasure hunting. He would place the stone into his hat, and then cover his face with it. For much of the time he was dictating, the gold plates were not even present, but in a hiding place.


  • The detailed history and civilization described in the Book of Mormon does not correspond to anything found by archaeologists anywhere in the Americas. The Book of Mormon describes a civilization lasting for a thousand years, covering both North and South America, which was familiar with horses, elephants, cattle, sheep, wheat, barley, steel, wheeled vehicles, shipbuilding, sails, coins, and other elements of Old World culture. But no trace of any of these supposedly very common things has ever been found in the Americas of that period. Nor does the Book of Mormon mention many of the features of the civilizations which really did exist at that time in the Americas. The LDS church has spent millions of dollars over many years trying to prove through archaeological research that the Book of Mormon is an accurate historical record, but they have failed to produce any convincing pre-columbian archeological evidence supporting the Book of Mormon story. In addition, whereas the Book of Mormon presents the picture of a relatively homogeneous people, with a single language and communication between distant parts of the Americas, the pre-columbian history of the Americas shows the opposite: widely disparate racial types (almost entirely east Asian – definitely not Semitic, as proven by recent DNA studies), and many unrelated native languages, none of which are even remotely related to Hebrew or Egyptian.   


  • The people of the Book of Mormon were supposedly devout Jews observing the Law of Moses, but in the Book of Mormon there is almost no trace of their observance of Mosaic law or even an accurate knowledge of it.
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